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Will the Tech Oligarchs Turn on Trump? (With Kara Swisher) | The David Frum Show

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In this episode of “The David Frum Show,” The Atlantic’s David Frum opens with his thoughts on the growing calls for Medicare for All. David discusses how Medicare for All might actually work, why it’s impractical, and why it is fundamentally a promise Democrats cannot keep.

Then, David is joined by Kara Swisher to discuss her new podcast with Hillary Clinton, the dangers of unregulated AI, and the power of the AI oligarchs over American politics. David and Kara discuss the potential of an AI bubble and what responsible oversight of AI would look like.

Finally, David ends the episode with a discussion of “The Rise and Fall of American Growth: The U.S. Standard of Living Since the Civil War” by Robert Gordon, and whether the AI revolution changes any of Gordon’s pessimistic assessments of what has happened to American growth since 1970.

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00:00 Introduction

01:00 Medicare for All Reality Check

07:44 Promises, Polarization, Incrementalism

10:16 Kara Swisher

17:59 AI Regulation, TikTok, and Trump Era Risks

30:37 Trump and executive power

31:39 Biden era tech regulation

34:44 Data centers voter backlash

36:44 Family tech hygiene

44:46 AI economics and partnerships

52:16 “The Rise and Fall of American Growth: The U.S. Standard of Living Since the Civil War” by Robert Gordon

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